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Case Keenum on the Minneapolis Miracle and Why It’s Only the 3rd or 4th Best Moment of His Life
10 seconds left. 4th quarter. Down by 1. It’s the playoffs—it’s the moment every kid imagines in their own back yard. The clock is counting down and Case Keenum throws a new perfect pass to Stefon Diggs who somehow, miraculously, catches it and makes it to the endzone.
Vikings win in one of the craziest 4th quarter comebacks to date. And while the Minneapolis Miracle will live in the memories of sports fans forever, Quarterback Case Keenum has something else he’d like to be remembered for—his faith.
On today’s episode, hear Case share about his NFL journey, what it’s been like moving from team to team, and why the Minneapolis Miracle is only the fourth greatest moment of his life.
As always, thanks for listening.
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Henry Kaestner: Welcome back to the Faith Driven Athlete. We've got a special guest today and a guy who like me is 6'1".
Unfortunately, that's where the comparisons end. But Case Keenum is our guest today, and Case it's awesome to have you on board. And we were talking about right before you went on to air. I am the father of three boys, 14, 16, 18, who all love football. And it's a special joy for me to be able to talk through just great things that are going on in sports. We're all on ESPN and just, you know, things are going on in the NFL. But to be able to look at some of the incredible things going on like the Minneapolis miracle and then to endeavor to understand the story behind a guy that pulled that off and to know, that he has a very serious faith is a super big deal. And I'm sure that a lot of our audience is listening and identifying with that as we look to bring great role models to our kids. So thank you for that. Thank you for joining us.
Case Keenum: I appreciate you guys having me on. Let me tell a little bit of my story. So I was one of those kids, man, a teenager growing up, just wanting to play football or anything with the ball. And definitely looking up to athletes ahead of me. So I know the position I'm in is not just to go out there and play a game, which is incredible. I love to do. But, you know, to have a platform as athletes, I know we have a platform to promote whatever we want to promote.
And for me, my faith, you know, I wear it on my sleeve. Man, I want to promote it as much as I possibly can. So I appreciate you guys. Letting me do that here on the show.
Henry Kaestner: Well, it's easy to do. As you were growing up, though. Who were your heroes? And did you have any heroes that were in professional sports that you saw talk about their faith in a way that you said, gosh, that's a way I can live it out?
Case Keenum: You know, I had a lot for me it was more local. My dad was a football coach. And, you know, he had a lot of really, really talented guys on this football team. He coached small college and high school around West Texas. But I got to hang around.
Henry Kaestner: Nothing going on with football in West Texas, right?
Case Keenum: Exactly. So I met some good players, division three schools, you know, colleges out there, some high schools. But I just I got to be a part of the team. You know, the ball boy. And I saw Braxton Shaver, the quarterback, Roy Peacock. You know, West Tidwell, John Riley Hoover we were just guys that you have no idea who they are. But, man, they were like gods to me walking through the locker room, you know, as a kid, you know, wanting to be just like those guys playing at McMurry University in Abilene, Texas. So those guys were my you know, were my heroes growing up.
Henry Kaestner: Have you got a chance to connect with them after you've hit the NFL?
Case Keenum: Oh, yeah, quite a bit, actually. I mean, I've been to a lot of my games and it's really cool because a lot of them, they now have kids that were, you know, my age when I was looking up to them. You know, it's just fun. You know, sit there and throw routes with them after the game or, you know, see just the ripple effect of some cool things God's done, you know, in my life. And then even, you know, people's life before me that, you know, I was impacted by my dad. You know, just putting me around those guys and just a little things that it's cool to see the ripple effect of what our faith and what the gospel can do. You know, and just little moments.
Henry Kaestner: Yeah. Yeah. So I want to start by asking the question that's been burning a hole in my pocket ever since we heard you were going to join us. Friday night lights. Is the reality of West Texas football like the TV show? Separate fact from fiction,.
Case Keenum: Clear eyes, full hearts, can't lose. You know, there's some similarities.
I think there's a lot of coach Taylors out there. You know, obviously men of integrity that do the right thing even when it's not the most popular thing to do. So I love this show. I thought it was incredible that they did a great job. You know, I think there's a lot of Tami Taylor's up there, coaches wives, you know, supporting those men. You know, I don't know about some of the wild drama high schoolers that never seemed to graduate. I don't know. So there's a lot that's blown up. But man outt in West Texas, it's about football. And I mean, on Friday nights, it's everybodys at the football game. And I mean, it's a great place to grow up. And I loved it. I loved playing football out there. I loved growing up out there. Definitely some pride in West Texas high school football.
Henry Kaestner: What was it like growing up? Not only as a part of West Texas. But it's also part of your own family. Your dad was a coach and you must learn a lot about life, a lot about the game from your dad. You alluded that a little bit before by watching some of these guys in the locker room. But you talk a little bit more about what's like being, for instance, the son of a coach.
Case Keenum: I loved it. You know I had the keys to the gym. You know, I mean, I got to go shoot baskets or be in the weight room thrown on the field. And I can remember hours. My dad's work. And I just asked mom if I could go up there and hang out. You know, and go shoot baskets for two hours and come back and he still work. He was like, I don't know give me a little more time. And, you know, I was like cool I'll just keep playing, playing. And I loved it. Then we moved around quite a bit, which was tough.
But, you know, I think the common thread, especially in West Texas, was athletics, you know, and for my dad, well, exactly like I alluded to earlier, he had not just great athletes on his team.
He didn't recruit just good athletes, but men of character, strong men that did the right thing, that acted the right way. They talk the right way. And it was an attractive quality that I wanted to be just like them there. There's something, you know, and I could tell something different than the guys that, you know, were Christians. And I sought out what it was in their life and it was Jesus Christ. And that's really when my faith, I think, you know, started to bloom, started to grow a desire in me to be just like those guys, not just on the field, but off the field, because I got to know them as people when they came over to the house. And, you know, we had barbecues out in the backyard and stuff, you know. So that was a big part of my life growing up was want to be just like those guys. So finding out it was Christ in their lives changed my life forever.
Justin Forman: So I want to pivot a little bit, Case, more towards your football career and on the field. But before I do that, I think one of the things I've heard you talk about that I found really interesting is just I think people listening are always intrigued by how did the gospel, really take a hold of somebody's family. You've talked a little bit about that with your dad and just kind of generationally, just kind of what clicked? What changed for him and then how did that led to the influence that you're talking about here? Can you take us back a little bit to the family legacy of faith that's there?
Case Keenum: I love talking about legacy. You know, I think I've actually talked about it quite a bit in the book, but my dad's dad wasn't around very much growing up. And my dad constantly, I find myself growing more and more like him every day. And, you know, I love it. I think he was the best example of what our heavenly father is like, and is going to be like here on our best representation that I could possibly have is teaching me what right is right. And what's wrong is wrong as basic as that, too. Still having questions about different life issues that pop up and me being a dad now we have a a 4-month-old here. Tyler is his name. I'm finding myself again going back to dad and asking and, you know, finding advice. You know, one thing, actually, I'm glad I'm in the room here. I'm going to get up or move a little bit.
But my dad gave me this sword here and a family crest that we did when I turned 18. Getting some props going. Yes, he gave me that sword here.
And there was kind of a transition into manhood, but it's probably backwards. I'm guessing if the camera is going is honor, integrity, loyalty and courage.
And then Keenum If God is for us who can be against us. Just kind of a cool legacy that he built, he started and his faithfulness and his example for our family. You know, it's led me to where I am. And it's going to lead my son to where he goes and what God has in store for him. But I think my dad's faithfulness. And, you know, doing the right thing and working extremely hard and being who he is, I think I'm reaping the rewards from that. And just spiritually, just the blessings that I have. I wouldn't know up from down and right from left if I wasn't a Christian. And I think it's incredible that my dad's instilled those morals and principles in me that something in the back of mind is just always, you know, do the right thing, do the right thing. And I think that I'm living proof that, you know, legacy and generational gifts. I think those things are passed down. So it's been pretty cool.
Justin Forman: So talk a little bit more about that, Case. I mean, West Texas, Friday Night Lights, football QB1, big deal, going to college, setting records there. Talk to us a little bit about what is it like to stay grounded in your identity through some of those crazy transitions? I mean, what does it look like? What was that process like? When did it start to click to you to see past the headlines, the fame, the attention that was coming with all of that?
Case Keenum: Yeah, I think I think there's probably two main people in my life that have kept me there. I'll continue the trend of talking about my dad. You know, when I first started gaining some traction with starting for three years in high school and getting some recruiting letters and signed a scholarship letter of intent to go to University Houston and started having some success breaking some records. You know, he just kept saying, hey, remember where it comes from? Remember where it comes from? And he had another saying that was. It doesn't take long to get from a penthouse to the outhouse. So keep me humbled was important. And then my wife, my wife now, who we've been married for eight years. My best friend constantly keeps me humbled in a lot of good ways. So, you know, just having the right people around you, I think, is very, very important. Having people that will speak truth to you, not just encourage you when you're down, but challenging when you need to be challenged and, you know, keep you accountable, have some accountability partners that keep me accountable in so many different areas. And those are two of the ones that are in my life consistently.
Justin Forman: Yeah, that's great. Obviously, one of the moments that many of us have come to know Minneapolis miracle. It's a moment in sports, but it's a moment also, I think that really ties into the conversation we're having here of identity. I know you've been asked tons of times but replay for us a little bit and a quick flyover of the situation, the play, but then more pressing to some of the emotions, the emotions before, during and right after. And then in that post-game press conference, take us through that.
Case Keenum: Yeah, it was definitely, definitely a memorable night. You know, first playoff start for me playing Drew Brees, the guy I looked up to for a long time. I mean, I studied Drew every offseason. I looked at his mechanics, I looked at his training regime, I looked at whatever you know, just being, 6 1 6 foot quarterbacks.
They're trying to match, you know, a lot of my game and take little nuggets, take little tools from him that put them in my tool belt, put him in my craft. So a guy I looked up to for a long time, not this a great player, but a great person, solid believer, does a lot of things for the community and charities. So a guy looked up to for a long time and I'm playing, you know, head to head for the playoffs chance to go the NFC championship and we were in a battle. It was a great football game. People talk about the play, but then it was back and forth. We were up big. They came back. You know, they went down and scored with. I think about three minutes left. We did a fourth quarter game winning drive kick the field goal. Fifty two yarder with well over a minute left to go back up. And I thought, honestly, that drive was my playoff game winning fourth quarter drive against the Saints, against Drew Brees. against one of my idols. I thought I'd, you know, I'd done it. So I left too much time on the clock. And he converted a couple of fourth downs, went down, and they kicked a field goal to go up with. I think with about 30 seconds left, maybe even less than that. But I mean, the play I mean, everybody has probably seen it at some point, but not much time left. Third and ten, I think, on the thirty nine yard line.
You know, some of the details are blurred, but there are some details I will never forget, calling the play gun Buffalo. Right. key left seven heaven with one of my best receivers Adam Feelan out to the left when a seven route was facing a corner out, trying to get out of balance, just trying to get a deep bench, any kind of route, getting some a big chunk of yardage. But he was triple covered over there and safety over the top. Safety low and a safety middle and then a bunch. Right. Our buffalo set on the right side with Kyle Rudolph, Jarius Wright, and Stefon Diggs. Out to the right with three levels of an out route. And he was on a heaven seven route a seven round is corner route on the heaven angle, a high angle.
And I just told him in the huddle before I said, hey, I'm gonna give somebody a chance here. Let's let's see what happens. And Stefon actually, it's funny I've got all these props in my office here. Somebody sent me this thing so you can imagine. Here goes Stefon runnin'. And and he's got these white gloves on, right.
So he's got an angle. He's got these white gloves on. And I remember I let this ball go. I took two hitches and let this ball go. And it felt really good. Coming out of my hand. I mean, there's times if you play golf or, you know, I don't know you can relate it to throwing a football, but when you hit a golf ball square, you just know you just hit it right on the money. And it's the same thing with throwing a football. Sometimes it just comes out of your hand, something with the mechanics of how your hips and shoulders and feet and everything in it comes out. I mean one of the best throws I've ever if not the best I've ever made in my life. But I let it go. And it was kind of at the back of his head, more so than over shoulder the corner. And all I see is him jumping up. I see these white gloves because I lost the vision of Stefon. I see these white gloves come up and the ball is headed right at him.
And I'm like, oh, my gosh, he's about to catch this thing. And he catches it. And I'm telling you, I've been in some loud stadiums. I've played in Kansas City when they broke their outdoor record for loudest stadium in the world. I played in Seattle with the 12th man. I've deen some really out stadiums and this was the loudest I've ever heard a stadium in my entire life, 80 plus thousand people yelling at a receiver to get out of bounds, including me. I'm telling Stefon to get out of bounds and he doesn't. He turns inside, goes down on a hand. The white glove goes down and he turns and runs. And I can't see it, but nobody's in front of him. And once everybody figured out that he was about to score. I'm telling you, it got even louder is unbelievable. We all know that's the Stefon they're running into the end zone there.
Henry Kaestner: Well, we can't see. This is an audio podcast so what people can't see is the visual aid. We put this up on the show. And as we have to have you, you don't give us another screenshot that here and second. But it's a perfect bobblehead. It's Case and Stefon. And there and there. That's it. That's great to hold it right there. That's a thing of beauty. That's really cool.
Case Keenum: So anyways, I mean, it's just it's the loudest place I've ever been in my life. Everything is nuts. You know, we're just running around trying to grab somebody in purple and just scream. I mean, literally nothing is in my head.
Just it's just a little nothing. There's so much emotion is incredible. Just the feelings of during the game. And we go down and score. I thought I'd, you know, previous drive. I thought I'd beaten my idol. Then he goes down and scores and I thought the game was over. I mean, I I knew he had a chance, but, man, all the wind had just got taken out of the sails of that place. And then it just got all brought back in that one moment. And it was unbelievable. And I remember I got grabbed by Chris Myers, the sideline reporter after the game. And he's like, hey, we're going live right now. Let's go. And I'm like, oh, no. Like, I'm not going to be able to talk. Like, I'm going to just being speaking in tongues here. Gibberish. Like, I mean, there was nothing intelligent in my brain at that time. And I prayed. I did. I said, God give me something to say here. And he asked me I think his second question was, this has got to be the best moment of your life, right case? And it just clicked. And I know God gave it to me. This is not me at all. You know, not predetermined or thinking about this like God gave it to me in that moment. And I said, no, this is this is not the best moment alive. This is third. The first best moment was give my life to Christ. The second one is when I married my wife. And this is the third. And that's the honest truth. And honestly, I think it's been bumped down now to fourth with the birth of my son, Tyler.
I've had some great moments and it was incredible, man. You would not believe the outpouring of people that actually with all this time on our hands. I have a box of fan mail that I just got to go through that I had shipped from a couple of different places and there's still people that are talking about that play. And more importantly, the interview that I got to do right after that. So, you know, it a special moment. It was incredible. And I tell people this, too, kind of things that I thought about. There's one there's a verse when it talks about heaven rejoicing, the angels just rejoicing when just one person comes back to the Lord. And I compared it to like the loudest moment that I've ever been a part of the loudest stadium that day. Those people in that stadium were rejoicing and going absolutely nuts. But after about ten, fifteen minutes, it quieted down. You know, people wanted to stick around, but they all left the stadium.
We all got kicked out. We all went home. We all went to bed and we moved on. That moment's over. It's done. It's gone. But what's so cool is if you've given your life to Christ, if you ask Jesus to be the lord of your life and to be your savior, that that never ends. We get to go to heaven and there's rejoicing there forever. And that's why it's so much more important than the Minnesota miracle that the one plat the one touchdown went through. And that's why I am who I am. And, you know, I thought that was a cool moment in just my life and somebody other people's lives. And I just want to make sure that people are reminded that there are more important things than this thing that we call football or what I do..
Henry Kaestner: That is neat. That's super cool. Thank you for sharing that.
Justin Forman: So case. And that's incredibly powerful, incredibly meaningful. I think what even makes it more meaningful is you're saying that now. You said it in the moment, the heat of the moment, God gives you this gift and gives you these words to say. But you're also saying that here a couple of years later, couple of years later, after a couple of different moves, a couple of different opportunities and couple different things. But it seems like that's even more meaningful. Is that crystallized? What's the journey been like since that moment? Has that made that more defined and profound in your life, or are there points where you've wavered along the way?
Case Keenum: You know, there's there's always times where, you know, you worry and doubt, you know, just latches hard, man, and it's hard for everybody. And I'm extremely blessed to have a beautiful wife and now an incredible son. You know, we've we've got our own issues there as well. But, you know, I think making sure that you keep everything in perspective, not too high with the highs not too low at the lows because I've been a part of both. I think making sure that you enjoy the moments that God gives you like that, those incredible moments, those things that, you know, you can't buy, those highs you can't buy. You know, I think making sure you thank God and you stay thankful in those moments. But at the same time, staying on your knees in those moments, because, you know, for me, I tend to I mean, being real, my walk with the Lord is a lot better when, you know, things are high stress and I need help, you know? So something I try to do is maintain my quiet time, my spiritual lives, keep that as solid as I can throughout whatever season of life I'm in. But yeah, there's always, you know, certain things. And I've been on seven or eight teams now and in my eight or nine year career and we've bounced around.
Henry Kaestner: But talk about that. I mean, it's amazing. That's a lot of teams had a lot of success, but it's going to be really hard to go from some of these absolute peaks. Now, to be clear, maybe the way that you're able to deal with is that it's not the peak for you. But moving around and changing jobs, that frequently has got to be really hard on you.
Case Keenum: Yeah. It's honestly it's a little harder on my wife. You know, we started in Houston with the Texans, was cut there, went to St Louis, went back to the Texans, traded back to St. Louis, moved with the Rams to L.A., went to Minnesota, had incredible year, went to Denver, Washington, and now signed with Cleveland. So I think I've got every division in the NFL covered except the AFC East and the NFC South. So I'm hopeful, you know. Yeah. And my wife has been a trooper man. She's got our car relocater and our moving company on speed dial. You know, but that's part of the business for us, man. You know, we really, really I guess my third year when I was in St. Louis, we had a couple friends who we got introduced to through a player friend of mine, Barrett Jones. He's now doing some stuff for ESPN SEC network, but he played for the Rams at that time and he was getting discipled by a guy that he knew from Tennessee. So he's like, Case, you need to come meet with us. Now we're going through this deal. It's really cool and. OK. Yeah, sure. Let's do it. And for the next year of my life, we went every week, sat in his house, got to know his family, got to know his kids.
And we go up to his little upper room of the garage and he'd give us lessons and not just teaching lessons, but show us what these lessons meant. And taking a lot of the New Testament, just what Jesus taught his disciples and not just learning it to learn it, but learning it to teach others. And that's disciple making. You know, second Timothy 2:2, you know, the law of multiplication. You know what Paul was doing to Timothy to teach faithful man who could teach others. There's there's four generations there. And, you know, I think we're all called in Matthew 28 the great commission to go and make disciples of all nations. And he literally lays out exactly how to do that in the Bible. And it's something I've heard I've heard of the great commission. I knew what it was. I was a believer since I gave my life to Christ at a young age, but really taking the great commission and saying that's not just for preachers, that's not just for pastors, that's not for deacons, that's not for youth ministers, that's for everybody. That's if you're an NFL player, an entrepreneur or banker or a teacher or whatever, that's all of you go and make disciples. And my wife and I took that to heart. We both got discipled by this couple. And I mean, our life literally is set up to make disciples where you spend a year in one place with a small group of people get to share with them what our life looks like and who we believe in and what we believe in and our morals and values and spiritual truths. And then God takes us somewhere else. And my wife has literally met with girls, you know, L.A. go back to L.A. When we moved from St. Louis to L.A., being a Texas guy, I never thought I'd live in a big city like that or much less outside of Texas in general. And I got to start the year off that year, but got benched half the year after losing, I think five games. Everybody from outside looking inside thought it was just this terrible year. I got hurt that did this. You know, we didn't lose any games. I got, you know, cut from the team, had to move on. But we had so many cool things off the field, you know, with these guys on my team and then these girls that my wife's got to literally meet with and disciple with so that they could go and teach others. And so many principles, man, we've learned along the way and been able to take on the way and people that have poured into our life that. You know that we just wanna be able to pour into other people's lives, too. So I say keeping that in mind and that's our goal and that's what we're called to do on our mission and our monitor and, you know, whatever else you want to call it. While I get to do what God made me to do is play football. You know, I get to do what God called me to do. And that's to make disciples.
Henry Kaestner: Talk to us about you've got experience in kind of different communities and having some really memorable experiences like you just talked about. Talk to us about the mindset of headed to Cleveland, maybe on the football side. Yes. But just on the Cleveland community side, too. Was it looked like as you get ready to join that community?
Case Keenum: Well, you know, you go on Zillow and you look at places to live. I mean, it's a process. And I think for us primarily the lines of the question you're asking about just community, we've learned to just jump in as soon as you can.
Henry Kaestner: How do you find a local church, for instance?
Case Keenum: Yeah, there's no there's no perfect churches. And that's where I was headed. I mean, you know, you've teed it up. There's no perfect churches because there's no perfect people. You know, we've moved and tried to find a church and bounced around from week to week to week to week to week. And by the time, you know, we found a place that we like the music and loved the sermon or wasn't talking about money that week or whatever it was, you know, the off season was over and we're in the middle of a season or whatever it is. So we find a Bibles believing a Bible preaching church that has the great commission in their mission statement. And we plug in as fast as we can. We're not as good as we can, just playin on Sundays. We try to find the time between the team Bible study and meeting with other people. I have found that continuing to get discipled is important for me. You know, I think everybody should have a Paul in their life, and everybody shoulda have Timothy in our life. That's being disciples and trying to disciple others as well. So, you know, I'm constantly looking for people to meet with and try to be a sponge and absorb what I can and be being open for what God has in store for me to try to disciple other people's. And you know, what that looks like.
Henry Kaestner: Is there a community within the Browns? Is there a team chaplain? Is there a way for you to get plugged in among your peers?
Case Keenum: Yeah, there's a team chaplain with every team, a great resources, PAO, professional athletes outreach. I tell people it's kind of like FCA or AIA for professional athletes. And if you don't know those ministries, those are nonprofits that use coaches to influence players. You know, they pour into the lives of coaches and players. I think sports in general is such a cultural influencer, athletes. You know, I know everybody who's ever played sports remembers their coach, whether good or bad, had an effect on them. They remember something that they said or did. So for me, I've had some great coaches in my life and I think, you know, point into those people are important. That's why FCA and AIA is important to me. But I say that to say that professional athletes outreach is a pro organization, pro to pro ministry, that, you know, the NFL, MLB, NHL, a couple other leagues or, you know, just guys who are like minded, who want to be better people want to be better believers, you know, get to meet every offseason and a couple of times throughout different things and now virtually, which is grown quite a bit. So for us, using that community within our bigger community really helps relationships and gets that started before I even set foot in Cleveland.
Henry Kaestner: Is ther one of these zoom calls for great quarterbacks that are serious about their Christian faith that I can zoom bomb in on you and Brees and some of those other guys. And I'm sure my teenage boys would love to do that.
Case Keenum: Yeah. Yeah. Maybe. Maybe one of these days we'll let you be a fly on the wall there.
Justin Forman: So Case, obviously an interesting time. You are anxious probably to be in Cleveland, but can't be in Cleveland because of the times that we find ourselves in. And we hope there's many years ahead. Obviously, there in Cleveland, the league with the helmet on. But when you think about just where God might have, you know, after it's time to take the helmet off and look at what's next, you think should we expect you to see on the sidelines West Texas high school football, where we're going to see Case after the NFL?
Case Keenum: You know, if I knew, you know, I don't know what I'd do, but I don't know. I mean, I really don't. I've always said I wanted to play football. I mean, when I was a kid, I was like, I'm going to play football when I grow up. You know, as I've gotten older, I've said I wanted to coach.
I don't know, being around my son and just being away from him like this morning, I went out for a little bit and I had to run around and I miss him. And I love my son, I love my family. I love spending time with him and coaching makes it hard to do that. They're away a lot. So at the same time, I know like I talked about coaches before, how appreciative I am of every coach I had. I still have a great relationship with my seventh grade basketball coach to. I mean, I have a great father and all these coaches are like a father to me and the things that they've taught me, the lessons, the little sayings, you know, so I can understand too, if God calls me into that field. You know, being able to use that as a ministry. But I don't know. I love football. I know God gave me an incredible gift to do what I do. And I love to do it. I love playing. I think I can play at a high level. I know I can. You know, so I'll be ready to go. I'm excited to be a part of what Coach Stefanski is doing here in Cleveland. He's the new head coach there. I was with him in Minnesota. He was the quarterbacks coach in Minnesota. Went on to be the coordinator there. And I know that I'm excited to be in the room with Baker. Baker Mayfield, Heisman Trophy winner. An incredibly talented player. You know, they drafted him obviously number one overall. So, you know, I know the situation. I know my role coming in that it's to be the backup and support those guys, not only to be ready to play, but to support those guys, too. So, you know, but I'm excited to go, you know, flex my leadership muscle a little bit and, you know, be a part of what they're building there as a team and as a culture. So I don't know. You know, it was a long answer for maybe a simple question if I'm not a coach or not. But, you know, we'll see.
Justin Forman: Well Case, we're grateful that you would spend the time with us. Grateful for the way that you share the depth of your understanding of the gospel and how it's transformed your family and your life. You know, we like to end these episodes just with a close of pointing back to God's word and just saying it's alive and it's always speaking to us. And so if you would just talk to us, is there a specific part of God's word, maybe this week, this month that is really coming alive to you and speaking to you in the season?
Case Keenum: Yeah, know, narrowing it down to one kind of one, one one A B maybe? Maybe I'm reading Mark Patterson's Chasing the Lion and it's about one of David's mighty men. Not great on pronunciation, but I think it's beniah. It's in second, Samuel. Twenty three, I think. But there's just one verse about him. He says he chases chases a lion into a pit on a snowy day and kills him. And you know, the book's premise is kind of about chasing your dreams and being a lion chaser. And, you know, for me, I think just in this time of my life, being a new dad, a husband, you know, just seeing what my dreams are and knowing that God has incredible dreams, bigger dreams that we can even imagine when at the same time, you know, something that stuck out to me that the day, you know, scripture already quoted. But talking about Matthew, 28 great commission and something I've lived my life for the last couple years. I heard a sermon about that verse before that and it said something about the disciples and Jesus that just revealed himself after the crucifixion. And he had risen. He would reveal himself to the disciples. They had seen him. They had touched the scars. They knew it was him. They knew he had risen. But the disciples went and met with him there. And before he gives them the great commission that said, some of the disciples doubt it. And just thinking about worry and doubt in my life and something that has been very real for me and something I've dealt with a lot while I'm chasing these dreams, having this doubt, you know, when the disciples, they still had this doubt and sometimes still chewing on, you know, still looking for the nugget maybe, or the thing that presses upon me what God's trying to show me, but being able to still chase my dreams and chase God's dream for me and heaven out, you know. But, you know, not worrying about it, knowing that casting my cares on him, that he will uphold us. You know, there's so many other promises that that God has in store for us that God does promise us, you know. So, yeah, those are just things I thought about today.